you pointed out a great statistic, which is over 180 school shooting incidents since columbine. but i mean, there have been 31 -- there's been 61 multiple homicide incidents as well that don't involve schools and go beyond schools. this is a culture. we've got to change it. >> all right, congressman keith ellison of minnesota and michael eric dyson, great to have you with us tonight. professor, appreciate it so much. >> thanks, ed. >> more on today's tragic events out of newtown, connecticut when we return. stay with us. ur 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. yeah, i'm kind of a big deal. [sigh] it feels good to help people save... with great discounts like safe driver, multicar, and multipolicy. 731, 732... you want my number, don't you? call 1-800-progressive right now. or visit progressive.com for an extra $50 online savings.